17" AP Courbette Optima saddle with medium/medium wide spring tree. Great for Qtr horses, used on 16hd qtr horse for showing AQHA hunt seat and hunt seat equitation, would be great as all around event saddle too has removable thigh blocks for jumping. Used only for showing, has some rubbed areas on flap but leg and boot covers rubbed areas. Only thing I did not like about this saddle was that it did rub in this area. Bought new at Atlanta saddlery for $1000.00 want to sell cause I am concentrating on dressage now. Will not loan saddle out to demo but test rides are welcomed.